tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post972047419451650976..comments2024-03-22T05:45:28.281-07:00Comments on Departing the Text: Dumbing Down and Demanding Less...Really?MERYL JAFFE, PhD - parent, psychologist, teacher, author...http://www.blogger.com/profile/10310099341897509058noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-32422214988783461252012-08-14T14:32:14.981-07:002012-08-14T14:32:14.981-07:00That video is scary! That said, I am truly afraid ...That video is scary! That said, I am truly afraid for your kids today. My daughter goes to a good public school but I still worry they spend so much time on the arts (and yes I think its important) over Math it makes me nuts. <br /><br />Happy WW! http://www.nycsinglemom.com/2012/08/14/kate-gosselin-coupon-cabin-blogher/NYC Single Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12946047820242947548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-41650015809850123932012-08-14T04:05:39.076-07:002012-08-14T04:05:39.076-07:00I agree with what you've said! I love the ide...I agree with what you've said! I love the idea of teaching history chronologically, any other way doesn't make much sense. Also, very good point about the problem being not having a mastery over the basic grammar facts. Thank you for sharing this thought provoking post with us at <a href="http://www.livingandlearningathome.com" rel="nofollow">Trivium Tuesdays!</a>Amy Mazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052176651841122314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-31262855070132461172012-08-09T06:26:44.645-07:002012-08-09T06:26:44.645-07:00Fantastic points! I am a mom of a middle-schooler ...Fantastic points! I am a mom of a middle-schooler and have noticed over the last few years a few things: <br />--She took Algebra (considered a 9th grade math class where we live) as a 7th grader. She got As, but I was strangely disturbed when her teacher let her retake any test she wanted to raise her score. So...if she didn't study and got a C on a quiz, all she had to do was tell her teacher she wanted a re-take, and got it. So I'm happy that she likes math and does well, but why this philosophy of letting kids retake tests until they get a higher grade? Never would have happened when I was in school. Makes me wonder if the school system does that so its overall student scores look better for funding, etc?? <br />--I've also noticed the books they have kids read in middle school language arts seem to be less about classic literature and more about "fun" reading. Not that classic lit isn't fun. (I have a degree in English Lit and I'm a YA/Middle Grade writer, so I WANT people to read anything and everything.) I guess my point is this: When I was her age, kids in my class were reading things like Jack London's Call of the Wild. I encouraged my daughter to read it, and she gave up part way through because it was "too hard" -- and she's in advanced classes across the board. Why was this book read by all middle schoolers 30 years ago, but is too hard for the gifted kids today?? Interesting...Karen S. Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116824802269613088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-72214640069989932012-08-08T23:54:56.229-07:002012-08-08T23:54:56.229-07:00I also consider the paring down of arts programs (...I also consider the paring down of arts programs (while football budgets are sacrosanct) to be an utter failure to give students a full education. Encouraging students to express themselves through creative writing, poetry, singing, play and instrument... music uses and exercises both sides of the brain, improves hand/eye coordination. Art classes are instrumental in connecting kids with nature.<br /><br />There's another wonderful text I recommend: Lies My Teacher Taught Me. It is NOT an indictment of teachers, but of history textbooks, so male- and Eurocentric-dominated.<br /><br />Math was not my strong suit, but I still calculate all in my head before "proving" it on a calculator, as my engineer dad (who used a sliderule) used to say: "Use it or lose it," and also, "Learn a new thing every day and you'll never grow old." Thanks so much for this, it's so valuable for discussion! AmySharp Little Pencilhttp://sharplittlepencil.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-55090177873492139072012-08-08T19:40:26.159-07:002012-08-08T19:40:26.159-07:00Even speaking as one of those math-phobics of whic...Even speaking as one of those math-phobics of which you speak, I'm grateful to have been subjected to algebra. To this day, I will still freeze up if you show me an actual "math problem" and ask me to solve for X or something, but I worked in customer service for years, and could always understand billing, prorated amounts, upcoming discounts, and tax percentages. Some of the younger folks I worked with seemed to struggle with even the basics, and that always scared me. If I--worst math student in the history of the world--could grasp a concept that they found difficult, I feared their education had failed them somewhere. Removing crucial bits of education is not the answer.Cherihttp://cherisidlechatter.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-89751386789235364772012-08-08T18:31:32.437-07:002012-08-08T18:31:32.437-07:00I'm in a school everyday, and this is simply n...I'm in a school everyday, and this is simply not true where I teach. I see the exact opposite. Curriculum has gotten a lot more rigorous!Catch My Wordshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06338761214938263819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-57634594443651494962012-08-08T18:14:31.435-07:002012-08-08T18:14:31.435-07:00You are so right Shooting Parrots! I am one of th...You are so right Shooting Parrots! I am one of those who wasn't very fond of Algebra subject (I still don't like it till this day). Real life application of lessons is very effective in teaching students. Catching up With ABC.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cottrillseyeview.com/2012/08/daredevil-diva.html" rel="nofollow">Daredevil Diva</a><br />Rose, ABC Wednesday TeamChubskulit Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001712096042262296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-21460202162712676222012-08-08T18:06:33.466-07:002012-08-08T18:06:33.466-07:00Here is something for you to put into the equation...Here is something for you to put into the equation. Money for education is being cut in the arts...the arts are the expansion of thinking and the method to help students learn those core studies. So students scores go down, but not for the lack of good teachers, but for the lack of a well developed learning environment.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09840472612308245156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-50637602728906660912012-08-08T07:13:26.222-07:002012-08-08T07:13:26.222-07:00Another excellent post ~ I so agree ~ We are a nat...Another excellent post ~ I so agree ~ We are a nation in trouble and need reform badly ~ (A Creative Harbor)<br /><br />ps always good to have you 'visit'carol l mckennahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151914466378663660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-35374426203002249192012-08-08T00:50:52.202-07:002012-08-08T00:50:52.202-07:00The trick is to make lessons relevant to the real ...The trick is to make lessons relevant to the real world. I still vividly recall how geometry came to life for me at the age of eight or nine when taught to measure the height of a tree with a protractor, a ruler, a piece of string and a sheet of graph paper!<br /><br />But we must also look at our education systems and compare them with those of seemingly successful systems elsewhere. Miss Teen USA talks about helping South Africa whereas I found young people to be be much more motivated to learn when I was there.Shooting Parrotshttp://shootingparrots.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-15680957612005050212012-08-08T00:36:14.173-07:002012-08-08T00:36:14.173-07:00Geographic ignorance is scary. Everyone thinks, G...Geographic ignorance is scary. Everyone thinks, GPS will tell me where to go, not thinking GPS is the basis for most of our mobile technology. One needs skills in this area to advance technology in many fields. <br /><br />It boggles the mind how we are going into a innovation economy but yet we are doing so little to help the next generation be able to do just that.Wayne W Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11477905449393428276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-76492594848470971072012-08-07T18:57:26.394-07:002012-08-07T18:57:26.394-07:00Our schools our more concerned with self esteem an...Our schools our more concerned with self esteem and sexual health than teaching what they should be teaching. That little beauty pageant twit would make a good politician. She already knows how to double talk.Danielle Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306674300367273732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-13555719422805671232012-08-07T18:53:14.871-07:002012-08-07T18:53:14.871-07:00"Much like McCullough talks about teaching hi..."Much like McCullough talks about teaching history in a 'lab technique' so too should math be taught as meaningful projects and 'thinking playgrounds' (see Lockhart's Lament ) and not as wrote formula memorizing." -- I completely agree!<br /><br />From what I understand, educational system in the future will be more concept- than principle-based; hence, memorization will be phased out and learning will become more fun, though challenging still, to students.<br /><br />Cheers ... visiting from ABC Wednesday!<br /><br />Tito Eric<br />http://turningboholano.blogspot.com/2012/08/letting-god-be-god.htmlTito Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00023767024183685430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-50177804962440628512012-08-07T16:34:23.638-07:002012-08-07T16:34:23.638-07:00I believe this is so true! My kids high school is ...I believe this is so true! My kids high school is a place where a student can excel if they want to. Otherwise there's nobody there who is going to push you to try harder. Of course there has been the occasional teacher here and there who do make a difference, and I applaud them for that.<br /><br />Thanks for linking up for WW :)<br />Paula<br />lifeasweknowitbypaula.blogspot.comPaulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971696334228713576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-78920571424921959132012-08-07T14:12:34.440-07:002012-08-07T14:12:34.440-07:00I understand this all too well. I teach at a graph...I understand this all too well. I teach at a graphic design college. One of my classes is Design and Layout 2. They get the core structure of design in Design and Layout 1. I wanted to teach something they haven't heard before. I dove into designers, their work and process. I even show videos that interview them about their skills. On my evaluations last year students said my class was too much like an art history course. They want me to take names out. In my opinion if you are going into a field it's important to know some of the big names in it. <br /><br />http://theapels.blogspot.com/2012/08/ww-noculars-linky.htmlAn Apel a Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409392467947270395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-27759239800781116752012-08-07T12:51:07.513-07:002012-08-07T12:51:07.513-07:00And this is part of the reason why we homeschool.And this is part of the reason why we homeschool.Mom in High Heelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16990826038518660941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-19485081638370515222012-08-07T12:49:20.833-07:002012-08-07T12:49:20.833-07:00I'm still struck DUMB after watching that brie...I'm still struck DUMB after watching that brief video...may God have mercy on her soul for sure! lol Seriously, though, I think it's absolutely crucial when teaching kids at any level to show them the relevance to everyday life of what they're learning, be it algebra, reading, writing or history! My expectations for students were always high (some parents complained) but all students did the best that they could whether they ended up with a C or an A+. I did not allow "cruisers." I always praised students for doing their best work and I always gave constructive criticism to those whom I knew had not done the work to their best ability or when I knew that parental "assistance" was given. In the adult working environment, you're on your own so learn as a student how to do it yourself. Dumbing things down will only create dumber, lazy people - not the opposite! Always a pleasure to read your posts, Meryl.<br /><br />Leslie<br />abcw teamLeslie:https://www.blogger.com/profile/11964698251137788839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-1099891315401567332012-08-07T12:48:41.505-07:002012-08-07T12:48:41.505-07:00I believe that there is only so much that educator...I believe that there is only so much that educators can do. Parents need to step up to the plate and work with children at home. I also believe that our government needs to step up and provide more funding for our schools. Every time I turn around I hear about budget cuts and the schools are the hardest hit. I find that insane! Without proper funding, our children do not get a proper education, therefore, American children will continue to "dumb down" in my opinion.Theresa Mahoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10709965543595065306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-44935228832425170802012-08-07T12:39:13.185-07:002012-08-07T12:39:13.185-07:00Thank you for this interesting post, Meryl!
I thin...Thank you for this interesting post, Meryl!<br />I think that the solution of McCullough is very good. History could be very interesting and even fun if you take the trouble to organize plays and actions that are taking place in the past. We have several parks in my country which show us the various periods in history. People actually live in Roman villages or a town in the middle-ages, or any other period during their holidays. Schoolchildren are invited to take part in building a hut or a boat.They love it and will never forget these history lessons.Reader Wilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06384603525251159272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-7798932360806266202012-08-07T09:47:36.859-07:002012-08-07T09:47:36.859-07:00I think we all need to learn from our failures and...I think we all need to learn from our failures and that life has problems, can be hard and isn't always fun.<br />The baby food approach to life and learning is definitely dumbing all of us to some extent.<br />Working for something isn't a bad thing.<br />Thanks for this valuable post Meryl.photowannabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11760961275666768173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-15154283271916152062012-08-07T08:15:26.458-07:002012-08-07T08:15:26.458-07:00My problem is the ADULTS who believe the pseudo-sc...My problem is the ADULTS who believe the pseudo-science earth is 6000 years old, that people walked with dinosaurs, and that the earth is not getting warmer. We don't need to go to Mars, because the world will end soon, and all questions will be answered by God next week when we're raised up to heaven.<br /> In other words, I think we're sunk. <br /><br />ROG, ABC Wednesday teamRoger Owen Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05298172138307632062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-28742093826322343052012-08-07T08:14:10.162-07:002012-08-07T08:14:10.162-07:00Good post. My experience is that it can go either ...Good post. My experience is that it can go either way. I think the problems tend to be for students that don't get "special" classes at either end of the spectrum. My point is that many High Schools give "advanced" students the option of taking AP courses and in some cases courses at Universities when the high school doesn't have classes at the level they can take. I think there are more and more opportunities at the higher levels and also for students with learning disabilities but the basic standards aren't perhaps what they used to be. Carver, ABC Wed. TeamCarverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968919406427737503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-53739611819035104812012-08-06T23:01:16.441-07:002012-08-06T23:01:16.441-07:00Loved "Don't Know Much About History,&quo...Loved "Don't Know Much About History," and the "geography" version as well. I got them at a used book store as a young teen.<br /><br />It might be horrible to say, but in the struggle to save everyone might we be losing everyone? Maybe we have to accept that a certain small percentage of students just... will fail, and that's to be expected and okay?<br /><br />Chris H<br />ABC Wednesday<br />D is for Detritus (Oceanography)New York Erratichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12910004748099284750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-91946044504669070052012-08-06T19:03:08.473-07:002012-08-06T19:03:08.473-07:00Stop the dumbing down of our students!!! Raise the...Stop the dumbing down of our students!!! Raise the bar!!! I agree 110%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1535525493775623042.post-58924983675935064562012-08-06T17:52:18.392-07:002012-08-06T17:52:18.392-07:00I agree 100%! Have you read the book "Dumbing...I agree 100%! Have you read the book "Dumbing us Down" or Weapons of Mass Instruction? Stopping by from Mom's Best. Hope to see you at <a href="http://www.trueaimeducation.com" rel="nofollow">True Aim!</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00616836371628639681noreply@blogger.com